Windows SMP client installation guide

[coder_t2]

Is 14,000 ppd low for a 3.8 core i7? Followed instructions to a T, monitoring with HFM.NET

Damn, that's a lot of ppd! I feel like my wee little dual core i5 on my lappy isn't even worth it, pulling in about 400ppd.

 

[mplee]

Damn, that's a lot of ppd! I feel like my wee little dual core i5 on my lappy isn't even worth it, pulling in about 400ppd.

It should be more than 400ppd. I ran a unit throught a Dell with a i5-520M the other day and the ppd was around 3400.

 

[wingding]

I may have missed it, but is it still necessary to have a password on Windows to use this?

 

[coder_t2]

It should be more than 400ppd. I ran a unit throught a Dell with a i5-520M the other day and the ppd was around 3400.

Hmm, maybe I have something set up incorrectly? I am doing big work units, and have the SMP client set up. I have an i5-430M, but there should be that big of a difference... I also have the passkey as well. It takes me about 18 hours to finish a WU and I run it for about 10 hours a day. Any ideas? I am using the laptop in my sig.

-Apparently I am not received the bonus yet. I need to finish 10 WU first. I'll post my ppd change once I get the bonus.

 

[Tobit]

Ok, not getting points with smp app. Is this a common problem? Same user name, team 33, etc.

Please post your own thread in the forum so as not to clutter up this guide thread too much and we will get you fixed up. I took a look at your stats on EOC and something is definitely wrong. Make sure you didn't forget the -smp flag on the shortcut otherwise you will not get any SMP work.

 

[Tobit]

I may have missed it, but is it still necessary to have a password on Windows to use this?

No, that was a requirement of MPICH system which is no longer used with the new 6.30 Beta client.

 

[Zero82z]

Ok, not getting points with smp app. Is this a common problem? Same user name, team 33, etc.

Have you successfully completed and uploaded any units yet?

 

[Tobit]

Have you successfully completed and uploaded any units yet?

According to his EOC stats, it doesn't look like he is getting SMP work.. he is likely missing the -smp flag as I suggested earlier.

 

[DanSines66]

I have been running -smp for about a week now and have seen little to no PPD on stats. However I installed HFM.NET and it shows I am running around 1400PPD. I have also noticed that it shows running no frame times. Any suggestions on what the issue may be?

 

[Shamb1es]

Trying to run SMP again by having the machine on 24/7. However it's starting to work on an old WU that will timeout again for sure. How do I force the SMP client to start a new WU?

 

[Shamb1es]

Found the work folder in my FAH directory and deleted it, all looks good now.

 

[Zero82z]

I have been running -smp for about a week now and have seen little to no PPD on stats. However I installed HFM.NET and it shows I am running around 1400PPD. I have also noticed that it shows running no frame times. Any suggestions on what the issue may be?

Did you follow the guide exactly? Remove the client completely and set it up again according to the guide. If you still have issues, post your log file and I'll see if I can help.

Trying to run SMP again by having the machine on 24/7. However it's starting to work on an old WU that will timeout again for sure. How do I force the SMP client to start a new WU?

Delete queue.dat and restart the client.

 

[DanSines66]

Did you follow the guide exactly? Remove the client completely and set it up again according to the guide. If you still have issues, post your log file and I'll see if I can help.

I have done this. I will post log file after it has run for a time. I have client running on 3 separate box's in my house and according to my HFM.NET box 2 has 2386.7 PPD. Box 3 has 1996.1 PPD. I am not seeing these PPD stats on F@H or [H]OCP.

Box 2 has been running non stop for over 1 week 24/7 with an AMD Tri core.
Box 3 has also been running 24/7 for a week on an Intel E8400 core 2 Duo.

Could these PPD numbers be a mistake in HFM.NET program?

 

[DanSines66]

Log File.....



--- Opening Log file [September 10 00:14:41 UTC]


# Windows CPU Console Edition #################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.30

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: C:\FAH SMP\FAH6.30-win32-SMP
Executable: C:\FAH SMP\FAH6.30-win32-SMP\[email protected]
Arguments: -configonly

[00:14:41] Configuring Folding@Home...

Opening Service Manager failed (5)
Windows denied access for this operation.
You must be logged on with Administrator privileges.

The program will continue now without having installed itself as a service.
You may bring up this Configuration later by starting the program with
the -configonly flag.


[00:19:29] - Ask before connecting: No
[00:19:29] - User name: DanSines66 (Team 33)
[00:19:29] - User ID: 472C7C8D32DED4A1
[00:19:29] - Machine ID: 1
[00:19:29]
[00:19:29] -configonly flag given, so exiting.


--- Opening Log file [September 10 00:19:41 UTC]


# Windows SMP Console Edition #################################################
###############################################################################

Folding@Home Client Version 6.30

http://folding.stanford.edu

###############################################################################
###############################################################################

Launch directory: C:\FAH SMP\FAH6.30-win32-SMP
Executable: C:\FAH SMP\FAH6.30-win32-SMP\[email protected]
Arguments: -smp

[00:19:41] - Ask before connecting: No
[00:19:41] - User name: DanSines66 (Team 33)
[00:19:41] - User ID: 472C7C8D32DED4A1
[00:19:41] - Machine ID: 1
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[00:19:41] Work directory not found. Creating...
[00:19:41] Could not open work queue, generating new queue...
[00:19:41] - Preparing to get new work unit...
[00:19:41] Cleaning up work directory
[00:19:41] + Attempting to get work packet
[00:19:41] Passkey found
[00:19:41] - Connecting to assignment server
[00:19:42] - Successful: assigned to (171.64.65.54).
[00:19:42] + News From Folding@Home: Welcome to Folding@Home
[00:19:42] Loaded queue successfully.
[00:19:47] + Closed connections
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[00:19:47] Core not found.
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[00:19:52] Verifying core Core_a3.fah...
[00:19:52] Signature is VALID
[00:19:52]
[00:19:52] Trying to unzip core FahCore_a3.exe
[00:19:54] Decompressed FahCore_a3.exe (9325056 bytes) successfully
[00:19:59] + Core successfully engaged
[00:20:04]
[00:20:04] + Processing work unit
[00:20:04] Core required: FahCore_a3.exe
[00:20:04] Core found.
[00:20:04] Working on queue slot 01 [September 10 00:20:04 UTC]
[00:20:04] + Working ...
[00:20:05]
[00:20:05] *------------------------------*
[00:20:05] Folding@Home Gromacs SMP Core
[00:20:05] Version 2.22 (Mar 12, 2010)
[00:20:05]
[00:20:05] Preparing to commence simulation
[00:20:05] - Looking at optimizations...
[00:20:05] - Created dyn
[00:20:05] - Files status OK
[00:20:05] - Expanded 1761458 -> 2247349 (decompressed 127.5 percent)
[00:20:05] Called DecompressByteArray: compressed_data_size=1761458 data_size=2247349, decompressed_data_size=2247349 diff=0
[00:20:05] - Digital signature verified
[00:20:05]
[00:20:05] Project: 6077 (Run 0, Clone 1, Gen 156)
[00:20:05]
[00:20:05] Assembly optimizations on if available.
[00:20:05] Entering M.D.
[00:20:12] Completed 0 out of 500000 steps (0%)
[00:38:17] Completed 5000 out of 500000 steps (1%)

 

[Kendrak]

I C U DanSines66

http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=526480

Also, you must first finish 10 SMP WU to get the bonus that HFM.net includes in the score.

 

[DanSines66]

Thanks Kendrak. I was unaware that a bonus was already showing in HFM.NET. Thanks for the info.

 

[Zero82z]

DanSines, everything in your log file appears to be normal. Like Kendrak pointed out, you'll need to finish 10 units before you can receive bonus points, but other than that, F@H appears to be working fine. Let me know if you have any problems later on.

 

[Shamb1es]

It seems strange that Stanford would make your 'proove' yourself with 10 WU before you get into their cool bonus points club. I'm actually liking going only with my SMP and dropping my 4870 GPU client. Once i start collecting bonus points it will be more productive and i can easily run SMP while running PC games without much problem whereas I had to disable the GPU client as it didn't seem to set the GPU cores as low priority. Finally hooked up FHM and with both the SMP and GPU running 24/7 I wouldn't have finished my SMP before the deadline.

 

[Zero82z]

The 10 unit requirement serves two purposes, due to its other requirements. First, you have to complete the 10 units within the preferred deadline, which shows Stanford that you have a machine fast enough to earn bonus points. Second, you have to successfully complete and return at least 80% of the units you complete, which shows Stanford that you have a machine capable of producing reliable F@H results. If you have met both those requirements, then it proves you can return F@H results in a timely and reliable manner, and then you will be eligible to receive the bonus.

 

[wingding]

It seems strange that Stanford would make your 'proove' yourself with 10 WU before you get into their cool bonus points club. I'm actually liking going only with my SMP and dropping my 4870 GPU client. Once i start collecting bonus points it will be more productive and i can easily run SMP while running PC games without much problem whereas I had to disable the GPU client as it didn't seem to set the GPU cores as low priority. Finally hooked up FHM and with both the SMP and GPU running 24/7 I wouldn't have finished my SMP before the deadline.

I had a similar experience with my setup and with a 4890. Now I can fold more points with just my cpu running SMP's thus using less power and with a whole lot less noise. Folding with the 4890 was loud, hot and not as productive as I'd hoped.

 

[Shamb1es]

I don't know what's going on but this just isn't working out for me. The more I try to tweak and tune the more I fall behind hitting 90k for september. I have my PS3, desktop and laptop folding 24/7 and i'm still only hitting 2500-3500 ppd. I'm thinking I might try running the GPU client on my 4870 alongside the SMP again as long as I can get the SMP to complete before the deadline as well. Don't have many other options at this point.

 

[Moderate_Hamster]

This is frustrating.

I just left my computer running for a couple of days straight.

It's now completed its first SMP unit. or so I thought.

The SMP client gets stuck at trying to send results.

[04:42:32] Completed 250000 out of 250000 steps  (100%)
[04:42:38] DynamicWrapper: Finished Work Unit: sleep=10000
[04:42:47] 
[04:42:47] Finished Work Unit:
[04:42:47] - Reading up to 31748256 from "work/wudata_01.trr": Read 31748256
[04:42:48] trr file hash check passed.
[04:42:48] - Reading up to 30739800 from "work/wudata_01.xtc": Read 30739800
[04:42:48] xtc file hash check passed.
[04:42:48] edr file hash check passed.
[04:42:48] logfile size: 208742
[04:42:48] Leaving Run
[04:42:49] - Writing 62715066 bytes of core data to disk...
[04:42:50]   ... Done.
[04:43:00] - Shutting down core
[04:43:00] 
[04:43:00] Folding@home Core Shutdown: FINISHED_UNIT
[04:43:05] CoreStatus = 64 (100)
[04:43:05] Sending work to server
[04:43:05] Project: 6040 (Run 0, Clone 104, Gen 67)


[04:43:05] + Attempting to send results [September 12 04:43:05 UTC]

Folding@Home Client Shutdown at user request.

Folding@Home Client Shutdown.

It was trying to "send results" for about 20 minutes when I just shut it down.

I restarted with "-send all", but the same thing happened again. It's stuck at "attempting to send results." The client is constantly accessing something on the internet (network usage is steady). But, nothing gets done.

What is the problem? The deadline for the WU is coming up pretty soon. Would be unfortunate if the very first WU ruined SMP for me.

[Windows 7 64 bit]
[Client installed in: C:\Users\{user_name}\SMP]

 

[munkle]

Maybe your firewall is blocking it from sending its work? Try adding an exception to it.

 

[Moderate_Hamster]

Maybe your firewall is blocking it from sending its work? Try adding an exception to it.

That's what I thought at first, so I turned off the Windows firewall completely.

Do routers have built in firewalls too?

 

[Moderate_Hamster]

I put the router in "DMZ" mode for this computer, and the folding client still gets stuck at "attempting."

There is also a firewall, but I don't know if that's separate from DMZ mode (DI-624 router).

What IP range should I add for the firewall?

 

[munkle]

That's what I thought at first, so I turned off the Windows firewall completely.

Do routers have built in firewalls too?

Some do.

 

[Moderate_Hamster]

Some do.

I figured out that DMZ mode opens up all ports on the firewall.


So, the problem is something else. Weird.

 

[munkle]

I put the router in "DMZ" mode for this computer, and the folding client still gets stuck at "attempting."

There is also a firewall, but I don't know if that's separate from DMZ mode (DI-624 router).

What IP range should I add for the firewall?

I'm not familiar with that router but I have had a d-link that the dmz didn't work on it. You could try hooking your pc up to the cable modem directly to see if it is the router. If it still gets stuck, you might have to reinstall the folding client.

 

[Zero82z]

The "attempting to send results" message is what the client displays while it is uploading a unit to the results servers. Project 6040 is a large (for standard SMP) work unit. It will take a while to upload its results, especially if you have a connection with lower upload bandwidth. Open the client and leave it, and hopefully the unit will be sent. If after a few hours it hasn't sent the unit then you have a problem, but 20 minutes or so isn't enough time to judge whether there is a problem or whether the client is simply still in the process of sending its results.

 

[Moderate_Hamster]

The "attempting to send results" message is what the client displays while it is uploading a unit to the results servers. Project 6040 is a large (for standard SMP) work unit. It will take a while to upload its results, especially if you have a connection with lower upload bandwidth. Open the client and leave it, and hopefully the unit will be sent. If after a few hours it hasn't sent the unit then you have a problem, but 20 minutes or so isn't enough time to judge whether there is a problem or whether the client is simply still in the process of sending its results.

Thanks for the tip!

Do you have an upper bound (for the longest it's ever taken you to send a large WU)?

The connection is cable (10 Mbps down/512kbps up).

 

[Zero82z]

I don't really pay attention to how long it takes, honestly.

 

[Nathan_P]

Thanks for the tip!

Do you have an upper bound (for the longest it's ever taken you to send a large WU)?

The connection is cable (10 Mbps down/512kbps up).

IIRC the upload time for one of those units should be about 15-20minutes at that speed but that will depend on the server load at stanford

 

[Shamb1es]

Using HFM.net on both my laptop and desktop it's telling me my weak little i3 330M at 2.1Ghz with 2 cores and 4 threads is pushing 1800 PPD on the SMP client while the Q6600 4 cores 4 threads at 3.4Ghz is only pulling in 1525PPD on the SMP client. What is going on?

Edit: Is it still a good idea to run 2 SMP clients on 4 cores/4 threads?

 

[Zero82z]

Using HFM.net on both my laptop and desktop it's telling me my weak little i3 330M at 2.1Ghz with 2 cores and 4 threads is pushing 1800 PPD on the SMP client while the Q6600 4 cores 4 threads at 3.4Ghz is only pulling in 1525PPD on the SMP client. What is going on?

Either something is set up incorrectly, you have something consuming CPU power, or you paused folding for too long and will not make the bonus deadline for the unit you're currently working on.

Edit: Is it still a good idea to run 2 SMP clients on 4 cores/4 threads?

No.

 

[Moderate_Hamster]

I don't really pay attention to how long it takes, honestly.

You were right - there was no problem.

I left the client running, and eventually it uploaded everything.

Thanks.

 

[Shamb1es]

For the 10 SMP WU's you need to complete to earn the bonus, is that 10 counted from your username, that specific client, or the passcode you are using with the client? I have two computers running SMP but am not sure if that's going to get me my bonus points any sooner.

 

[mplee]

For the 10 SMP WU's you need to complete to earn the bonus, is that 10 counted from your username, that specific client, or the passcode you are using with the client? I have two computers running SMP but am not sure if that's going to get me my bonus points any sooner.

The 10 units need to done with the same passkey. After that, you should start getting a bonus.

 

[Zero82z]

For the 10 SMP WU's you need to complete to earn the bonus, is that 10 counted from your username, that specific client, or the passcode you are using with the client? I have two computers running SMP but am not sure if that's going to get me my bonus points any sooner.

Same user name and same passkey. The passkey is valid for your user name no matter what computer or client you're using it on, and it is also valid for any team.

 

[Wolfie]

Using HFM.net on both my laptop and desktop it's telling me my weak little i3 330M at 2.1Ghz with 2 cores and 4 threads is pushing 1800 PPD on the SMP client while the Q6600 4 cores 4 threads at 3.4Ghz is only pulling in 1525PPD on the SMP client. What is going on?

Memory Bandwidth the Q6600 is running slower DDR2 memory and the i3 is faster DDR3.
I found my Q6600 with 4GB DDR2 1066 memory ran faster at 3 cores SMP vs 4 cores SMP ( -smp 3 ) in the flags. (the memory Bandwidth of the Q6600 is also hampered by the CPU to chipset FSB)

Anyone know the minimum hardware specs for -bigadv flag to be effective in getting bonuses?
(want to run it on my 6600 box but do not know if it will work)

 

[Tobit]

Anyone know the minimum hardware specs for -bigadv flag to be effective in getting bonuses?
(want to run it on my 6600 box but do not know if it will work)

You'll never be able to run it on a Quad. bigadv requires a CPU with 8 or more threads.